Dangerous gun bill leaves Kansas conference committee

UPDATE:

The House concurred to separate the bills, so now HB 2145 as it passed the Senate (restrictions on who can carry guns, silencers, and decriminalizing throwing stars) is going to the Governor’s desk. HB 2042- concealed carry reciprocity –  is still in conference committee, which will meet tomorrow morning (April 6th) at 8am. We will keep you posted.

What happened earlier:

The Federal and State Affairs Conference Committee combined a good gun bill, HB 2145, which prohibits certain people (like domestic abusers) from having guns, and a bad gun bill, HB 2042, which legalizes concealed carry reciprocity, into ONE BILL along with some bad amendments.

HB 2145 as the conference committee passed it did the following:

  • legalizes concealed carry reciprocity
  • allows 18-20 year olds to concealed carry with a permit
  • decriminalizes throwing stars
  • creates some restrictions on who can own guns (like convicted domestic abusers and people with restraining orders against them)

The House voted to concur with the original Senate version of HB 2145, so now it creates restrictions on who can own firearms, changes Kansas law regarding silencers, and decriminalizes throwing stars. 

HB 2042 – the concealed carry reciprocity bill – is now still in conference committee. The next conference committee meeting is April 6, 2018 at 8am. We’ll keep you updated.

Below, you’ll find our notes from all the conference committees on these bills.

Federal and State Affairs Conference Committee Meetings on Gun Bills

There were two gun bills in the Federal and State Affairs conference committee this week – HB 2042 and HB 2145.

Conference Committees are when three members of the House and three members of the Senate meet together and discuss the differences between their versions of a bill and then come up with a unified version. Conference Committees are notoriously last-minute, and meeting minutes are not officially taken at them. If you want to know what happened in a conference committee, the word on the street is that you have to be there. So we went!

The members of the Federal and State Affairs Conference Committee for 2018 are the chairs, vice-chairs, and ranking minority members of both the House Federal and State Affairs Committee and the Senate Federal and State Affairs Committee:

Below, you’ll find a recap of all the discussion on guns in the Federal and State Affairs conference committee meetings and a notice for when each meeting happened. We didn’t take notes on the amusement park bills or the alcohol bills because that’s beyond our scope.

March 26, 2018

4:00 pm

On March 26, 2018, there was a conference committee meeting on the gun bills, HB 2042 and HB 2145. Thursday the conference committee meeting will be rescheduled “can I get with you later and we’ll work out a time?”

They first discussed HB 2042, which is the bill that creates concealed carry reciprocity. In the House, it passed with two amendments—one lowering the age of concealed carry to 18, and one requiring permits for carrying guns on postsecondary educational institutions. The Senate Committee stripped the bill of those amendments and made a straight concealed carry reciprocity bill. Senator Faust-Goudeau asked a question about page 1 section C line 28, “Would that individual have to be 21?” The Revisor had to double-check, but said that he believed that if you’re from out of state, you can carry under reciprocity if you’re under 21 and from a state that allows people under 21 to carry, but that if you take up Kansas residence, you would have to get a Kansas license if this bill were to pass.

They then moved on to HB 2145, which prohibits certain people from carrying guns. This bill passed cleanly through the House with a 122-0 vote. In the Senate, two amendments were added—one of which concerned throwing stars and the other concerned suppressors and silencers. The dates the law would go into effect are also both different. You can read more about this bill here and here.

Barker asked whether the issue of silencers is in federal court right now, and Estes confirmed that according to the Attorney General, it’s currently in the 10th District Federal Court. Barker then asked if HB 2042 and HB 2145 could be married into a single bill so that “we could have a vehicle for some other issue we may have” because they would be on the same topic—guns. Faust Goudeau asked what discussion there was regarding throwing stars in the House, and Barker confirmed that it was not mentioned at all.

Senator Faust-Goudeau asked a question about page 1 section C line 28 in HB 2042 – would that individual have to be 21 for the language in C1 on 2042? Barker said if you’re from out of state, you could carry under reciprocity, but if you change status you could not. If you took up residence, you would have to get a Kansas if you’re eligible for a Kansas. Highland asked, “what about South Dakota?” Barker didn’t know.

 HB 2145 is the bill that makes it a crime for certain people to possess a firearm, like people convicted of domestic violence offenses. The effective dates were different in the House and Senate’s versions of the bill, and the Senate added two amendments to it. You can read more about that here.

Barker asked about suppressors, “is that not in litigation now in federal court?” Estes said that according to the Attorney General, it is in the 10th district of federal court. Barker also asked if HB 2042 and HB 2145 could be combined into one bill and then “we could have a vehicle for some other issue we may have”- they could be same subject.

Faust-Goudeau asked, “You mentioned about the throwing star. In the House, what was your discussion about?” Barker said they had none and it was never raised on the House side. He said they had other amendments, referring to the amendments lowering the age of concealed carry to 18 and requiring permits to concealed carry on college campuses, and the Senate took out those amendments. Senator Olson said, “These two amendments were put on in committee, is there a recorded vote on that?” Barker said he has them but it may not be recorded. Senator Olson asked if the House had any other House bills that they wanted to marry into these two. Barker mentioned the hearing on HB 2789 in the House Insurance Committee, chuckled and said “not suggesting we are moving today.” Faust-Goudeau asked about the bump stock issue. Barker said it was never raised in the House and he’s unsure whether it was raised in the Senate. Senator Estes said it was raised in committee. Ruiz asks for clarification on that. Representative Barker said, “we’ll discuss all 4 amendments and if we want to add them back.”  Senator Faust-Goudeau also said, “I don’t want a lot of things to weigh down the domestic violence and the clean bill.” Senator Olson wanted to discuss amendments before talking about “marriage-ing” the two bills. Barker said he carried the House bill and it had 122 votes with no amendments, so he understands the Senate’s concern.

The revisor said that HB 2042  section C1 is in conflict with another provision about criminal possession of a weapon.  Olson said that they need to wait and work the amendments and then if there’s other necessary statute.  The Revisor’s office says that we have a more specific criminal statute than general statute regarding age of carry. A person under 21 from a state with permits allowing carry under 21 would still be in violation of the criminal statute under HB 2042. Barker asked if that language was already there or later put in by the Attorney General. Faust-Goudeau mentioned former Representative Forrest Knox who had led the charge on these gun bills before he was voted out. She wanted to make sure there are no unintended consequences to this bill.  The Revisor said HB 2042 addresses reciprocity but it’s silent on the criminal statute. Ruiz asked if the language in the 3rd item fixes it. The Revisor said yes, that if you change the language from 21 to 18—yes. “There’s multiple ways you could address it,” he said. Faust-Goudeau said that she really wanted them to fix it, that law enforcement doesn’t know who the bad guy is, and she wanted to make sure it’s clear.  Barker agreed. Barker said they would get a few bills which will be “harmonized” with these bills. Then they moved to alcohol.

Thursday, March 29, 2018

8:00 am

They started the conference committee meeting at 8 am with discussion on alcohol bills. We’ll spare you the details of that, but we were definitely surrounded by a bunch of liquor industry lobbyists. They ended quickly and rescheduled it for 2:30pm, but did not say whether or not they would discuss the gun bills.

2:30 PM

Ranking Minority Member of the House was late to the conference committee meeting. Barker started by saying that they will talk about alcohol today, and maybe guns later but he wasn’t not sure yet. They didn’t talk about guns. Next meeting was scheduled for 8:30 am on Monday morning.

Monday April 2, 2018

8:30 am

They started with the amusement park bills, which they decided to move until the afternoon because someone wasn’t there who needed to be. Barker asked if they have a spreadsheet of all the gun bills on both sides yet. They decided to reconvene to discuss gun bills at 3:00 pm.

3:00 pm

The House was still in session discussing education funding, so the conference committee was postponed to 4:30 pm.

4:30 pm

They discussed the amusement park rides first.

Tuesday April 3, 2018

3:00 PM

They didn’t discuss any gun bills.

Wednesday April 4, 2018

3:00 PM

First, the conference committee started by finishing up other business. Then Representative Barker said, “Well gentlemen, let’s talk about guns.”

First, they talked about the differences between the Senate and House versions of both HB 2145 and HB 2042.

They started by discussing the amendments to HB 2145. The first was to decriminalize throwing stars. Senator Olson says the intent is to keep people from getting kicked out of school for just possessing one without criminal intent. The second amendment was to decriminalize silencers. Senator Estes said it’s in Federal Court right now. He mentioned the two men in Wichita who got in trouble with the FBI for manufacturing silencers in their garage. Senator Estes says that this amendment won’t actually help those men in Wichita. The Senate Amendment on silencers means that a suppressor used that was made in line with the 2nd Amendment possession act.

HB 2042 is the concealed carry reciprocity bill. The House made two amendments to that bill– one would require someone to have a license if they are under 21 to carry guns on campus. The other would allow public universities to prohibit guns carried by people who do not have a permit.

The Landwehr amendment is what allowed 18-20 year olds to carry with a license. The Arwen amendment requires permits to carry on college campuses and lowers the age to 18.

Representative Barker asked if there should be two bills or asked if they could combine them into one conference committee.  Senator Olson wanted to discuss the amendments. Senator Olson said he likes the Landwehr Amendment. They then discussed whether to combine these amendments.

They took a break to talk amongst themselves. Then they discussed what they could do with the suppressor amendments and the throwing star amendments.

Faust-Goudeau asked about the lowering the age of 18. Representative Highland said that other states have 18-year-olds that carry and Kansans would have to be older than 21 to carry while other people from other states would only have to be 18. Senator Estes said that 18-year-olds would be allowed to carry and that they go to war and vote, so they should be trusted with a gun.

Representative Barker said “Is there any agreement to combine these two bills into one bill?” They said they’ll think about this tonight and come back tomorrow.

Senator Faust-Goudeau said they have had 12 homicides in Wichita this year, and that she thinks we’re going down a major slippery slope. Then they closed for the day.

Thursday, April 5, 2018

8:00 am

Representative Barker said that it’s the House’s position to consolidate the two into one bill. Senator Olson said that he will concede to the House. Barker said that the House is unclear about what the federal courts will do on the silencer issue, so they want to take that out.

The Senate is OK with the Landwehr amendment, which lowers the age of concealed carry to 18.

Representative Barker said that the House is up for election, and he can only give an agreement to revisit the silencer issue next year acknowledging that.

The Senate and the House agreed to combine HB 2042 and HB 2145 into one bill numbered HB 2145 along with two amendments – one that decriminalizes throwing stars and the other that lowers the age of concealed carry to 18 with a permit.

They adjourned.

Concealed Carry Reciprocity & Domestic Violence Restrictions Pass KS Senate

The Kansas Senate was packed with people today because they had long debate on the gun bills HB 2145 and HB 2042, and a campus free speech bill, SB 340.  SB340 failed, HB 2145 passed with the amendments made by the Senate Federal and State Affairs Committee, and HB 2042 passed with no amendments made.  Below you’ll find the long form version of what happened in the Senate session:

SB 340: Campus Free Speech

SB 340 an ALEC-associated campus “free speech” bill that would make it impossible for universities to do punish students for harassment and give students and faculty different speech rights than faculty, failed with a 20-20 vote.

HB 2145: Prohibiting Guns from Certain People

The Senate then debated HB 2145, which limits gun ownership for people who have been convicted of domestic violence. The bill passed the House unanimously, but then there were amendments made in the Senate Federal and State Affairs Committee. The bill now does a number of things, which can be read in this supplemental note:

Senator Dinah Sykes offers an amendment which would restore the bill to the version that passed the House. Then Senator Masterson stood up to oppose the amendment. The Senator from Lynn, Senator Tyson, asked Senator Sykes if she remembers the case in which a man got a felony conviction for manufacturing silencers in his garage because he thought that the unconstitutional Kansas 2nd Amendment Protection Act would make Kansas gun laws override state law (which no state law can legally do). On the Sykes Amendment, the Senate voted 19-19 on that amendment. The Senator from Leavenworth changed his vote to no, so the motion failed 20-18.  They passed the bill with the amendments the Senate  Federal and State Affairs Committee had made.

HB 2042: Concealed Carry Reciprocity

Then, they discussed HB 2042— the concealed carry reciprocity bill. Senator Masterson explained that this bill will recognize other state’s permits. The House had added amendments to the bill, but the Senate Committee stripped it of those amendments, so now all the bill does is pass concealed carry reciprocity. Senator Hawk stood up and gave a speech about the Parkland shooting and what has happened in his district since that horrific day– 13 students have been arrested for making threats. He also presented a letter from the Board of Education that urges solutions, stating “If we don’t get this right, it will be our shame.”

Senator Rogers then introduced an amendment to ban bump stocks.   Senator Masterson refers to bump stocks as “novelty items” and refers to them as just a piece of plastic, neglecting the fact that these items have been used to murder hundreds of people, such as in the Las Vegas shooting. Senator Rogers says that the language in this amendment is identical to what recently passed in Florida. Senator Rogers moves his amendment, and a roll call vote. Senator Haley explained his yes vote by bringing up the Las Vegas shooting and saying it would help prevent those tragedies. The Senator from Saline voted no and explained that it was because he only wants to vote on the base bill instead of lots of amendments. The final tally on the Rogers Amendment was 20-20 and the motion failed.

Senator Bollier then introduced an amendment to create red-flag, or extreme risk protection orders in the State. Current Kansas law does not have any due process for removing of weapons for people who have been found mentally unfit to carry, so this amendment would create that. An Extreme Risk Protection Order would prohibit a defendant from owning, purchasing or receiving any firearms or ammunition for up to a period of 1 year. A family member is described to include people who have lived with the defendant or who are related by blood or marriage. It would allow a family member to request a judge to put a temporary gun violence restraining order to be put in place. 30 states have either introduced or already passed similar extreme risk protection orders acts. Bollier also stated,”The NRA has asked for this type of legislation to move and be passed across the country so we can prevent unnecessary gun violence. No one wants gun violence.” The germaneness of the amendment was questioned and it was ruled not germane. Senator Bollier urged the Senate to urge the Judiciary committee to hear the bill. Senator Wilborn stood up and said that he got a text from the NRA and they don’t support extreme protection orders.

Senator Francisco raised concerns about out-of-state 18-year-olds who have permits from other states being allowed to carry on college campuses and introduced an amendment that would change the terms jurisdiction and license and permit so that permits from out of state would have to be equal to or more restrictive than Kansas permit requirements. Senator Masterson said that this amendment would nullify a lot of reciprocity agreements. Francisco moved her amendment, and it failed on a voice vote.

Senator Pettey then introduced an amendment which would require a 3-day waiting period for gun purchases and would create a larger background check to be done in that period. Masterson strongly opposed the amendment because he thinks it would limit guns from people. Senator Faust-Goudeau reiterated that this amendment would just be a delay to make sure that a person trying to purchase a gun doesn’t have a domestic violence conviction. Senator Pettey reminded everyone that it would not actually limit anyone’s ability to purchase a gun, it would just make them have to wait another 3 days. Senator Fitzgerald said that safety measures can have a counterproductive effect and says that a woman needs a gun to protect herself from a domestic abuser, despite the fact that a woman is 5 times more likely to die in a domestic violence situation when there is a gun involved. Senator Fitzgerald told a story of a woman who got shot by her domestic abuser and said that if she had a gun she wouldn’t have died, and says that this is unnecessary. Senator Pettey said that this won’t prevent every incident of gun violence, but it would prevent some and that’s important. Senator Bollier brought up that there is an 80% success rate with suicide by guns, and if you keep guns out of the hands of someone who is suicidal, their risk goes down significantly, and that she thought Kansas was a pro-life state. Motion failed on a voice vote, then there was a roll call vote. Senator Hensley explained his yes vote by saying that if a guy like Rick Scott breaks with the NRA to do this, then we should take notice and pass it. Senator Hardy voted no and said that it was because he only wants to vote on the base bill. The final tally was 17-23 and the motion failed.

Then Senator Holland introduced an amendment to raise the purchase age of rifles to 21. This amendment failed with a vote of 13-27.

Then Senator Francisco introduced an amendment that would change the reciprocity agreement so that Kansas would only accept permits from other states for people over 21 because Senator Masterson raised concerns about age earlier. The amendment failed on a voice vote and was brought up for a roll call.

Senator Holland from Douglas County introduced an amendment to bring back permits and training for the entire state, repealing “constitutional carry.” Senator Masterson started laughing when the amendment was brought up and says he’s tempted to question germaneness but wants to see the vote. Senator Doll says that where he’s from if you don’t have a gun you’re weird and even his constituents think that everybody should have permits and training. The motion failed on a voice vote and went to roll call, where it failed 16-24. Senator Haley (Democrat) explained his no vote by saying that people can’t afford permits so he doesn’t think that people should be required to have them to carry a gun. He didn’t wish to put his remarks in the journal because he doesn’t want 20 Republicans to sign on like they did to his comments when he supported getting rid of permits the first time.

Senator Hawk then introduced another amendment which would exempt colleges and universities from requiring concealed carry, getting rid of campus carry. Senator Masterson asked Senator Hawk if there’s been an instance that would create a need to reverse the law. Senator Hawk reminded everyone of the time someone accidentally shot himself at K-State in the dorms, which Masterson says happened before concealed carry so therefore doesn’t count. Senator Bollier asks if there are any people who have left because of concealed carry. Senator Hawk says that enrollment at K-State is down and he knows of people who have left because of the law. Senator Baumgardner mentioned a report from KU saying that there have been no weapons violations in the first 6 months of campus carry as a reason for why there is no reason to reverse campus carry — neglecting the fact that when guns are legal, you aren’t violating the law when they are on campus. Senator Francisco pointed out that if it’s no longer a violation to have a gun, then obviously the rate of people getting in trouble for carrying guns will go down. Senator Baumgardner says that the drop in crime was actually in thefts and break-ins. Senator Hawk brought up that police aren’t allowed to ask if someone’s carrying a gun to check to see if they are allowed to or not, and asserts that there are, have been and will continue to be problems on campus. Senator Hawk moves amendment, motion failed on a voice vote, and a roll call vote was requested. The Senator from Reno explained his vote by saying that he thinks every campus should be able to make their own decisions about gun policies. A number of other Senators joined his remarks for the journal. Senator Hardy changed his vote from no to yes. Senator Tyson asked for a preliminary vote count, which was 19 in favor and 21 against. The amendment failed 19-21. Senator Hensley stood up and thanked the Senate for having this debate today and for keeping it civil.

Senator Masterson says he doesn’t think there’s anybody in the room that doesn’t agree that something needs to be done about gun violence and says that the issue is that there is no real solution to gun violence with the human condition. He also says it’s irrational and unfounded to fear guns, despite the fact that they can completely obliterate the human body and we know that when there are less guns, there is less chance of gun violence.The bill passed on voice vote.

The Senate then suspended the rules in order to pursue final action on both HB 2142 and HB 2042.

Senator Rogers voted no on HB 2042 and explained his vote by saying that there were a number of common sense solutions posed, we need to listen to each other more, and he doesn’t want to lower our reciprocity standards. Senator Schmidt from Shawnee stated that she didn’t agree with all the pieces but voted yes on HB 2145 because the domestic violence piece is really important. Senator Hawk will submit explanation of vote later, and a number of senators have joined his future explanation of vote.

HB 2145 passed unanimously and HB 2042 passed 25-15.

Concealed Carry Reciprocity Passes Senate Committee: What You Need to Know

The Senate Federal and State Affairs Committee worked both HB 2145 and HB 2042 today.

HB 2145, a bill which will limit convicted domestic abusers’ access to guns that passed out of the House unanimously, was passed out of the Committee with 2 amendments. One amendment was brought by Senator Masterson and changes the status of throwing stars under the law and the date the law will go into effect. The other was brought by Senator Tyson and cleans up conflicting language. We will update this article as soon as we see the actual bill language.

HB 2042, a bill that as it passed the House would have passed concealed carry reciprocity, allowed 18 to 20-year-olds to carry with a permit, and required permits to carry on college campuses, was also passed out of the Senate Committee, but with all of the House amendments stripped. Now, the bill is a plain concealed carry reciprocity bill and will go to a Senate Conference Committee, where we will likely see additional changes. This bill as it is now will allow 18 to 20-year-olds with permits from states that allow concealed carry at 18 to concealed carry in Kansas.

We will update this article as we know more.

 

Gun Bills in Kansas Senate Today- What You Need to Know

At 10:30am today, there will be hearings on 2 gun bills- HB 2042 and HB 2145 – in the Senate Federal and State Affairs Committee Room 144-S. Both of these bills passed the House of Representatives on February 1, 2018. If the Senate Committee votes to pass these bills, they will go to the full Senate.

HB 2042 (as it was amended in the Committee of the Whole in the House) will do the following things:

  • Legalize Concealed Carry Reciprocity (CCR), meaning that Kansas will be forced to accept concealed carry permits from other states- no matter what the other state’s requirements are regarding permits or training. The NRA wants to pass this nationally as well (as seen on 60 Minutes recently). They have also been trying to pass it in individual states as well, because one of the NRA’s major goals is to have guns literally everywhere with zero restrictions. 
  • Allow 18-20 year olds (who are currently not allowed to concealed carry in Kansas) to concealed carry guns anywhere with a permit. Remember that Kansas does not require permits or training for people over 21.
  • Require permits for anyone (no matter how old that person is) who wants to carry a gun on a college or university campus in Kansas.

NOTE: HB 2042 would allow a person ages 18-20 from a state that does not require any training at all to get a concealed carry permit to concealed carry in Kansas. It would also allow a person of any age from a state that does not require any training at all to get a concealed carry permit to concealed carry on a college campus in Kansas. Because the majority of college students are under 21, the bill would vastly increase the number of people allowed to carry hidden guns on college campuses in Kansas.

HB 2145 will do the following things: 

  • Make it illegal for the following people to carry concealed guns by changing the definition of the “criminal use of a firearm”:
    • Fugitives from justice
    • Aliens illegally or unlawfully in the United States
    • Persons convicted of a misdemeanor for a domestic violence offense within the past five years
    • Persons subject to court orders restraining them from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner, child, or child of an intimate partner.

A court order must fulfill the following conditions in order for a person to be prohibited from carrying a gun (adapted from the Supplemental Note):

  • It must have been issued after a noticed hearing where the individual had the opportunity to participate
  • Include findings that such person is a credible threat to the safety of an intimate partner or child
  • Explicitly prohibit the attempted, threatened, or actual use of physical force against an intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury.

NOTE: This bill will save lives in domestic violence situations.

Please contact your Kansas Senator AND the Senators on the Senate Federal and State Affairs Committee about these two bills and urge them to OPPOSE HB 2042 and SUPPORT HB 2145. 

There is no livestream provided by the Capitol in this hearing room. Please come to Topeka personally and/or look for live updates about the hearing on our Facebook page and Twitter account. #failcampuscarry #ksleg

 

Bill allowing 18-20 year olds to concealed carry passes KS House

In today’s Kansas House of Representatives session, there were two gun bills that were amended on the floor– HB 2042 and HB 2145 — and passed. What happened can be found in more detail below, and on our Twitter feed.

In summary, the Kansas House passed HB 2042 (amended) out of committee. The bill as amended does 3 main things:

  • Passes Concealed Carry Reciprocity (CCR), which is an agreement between states to accept other states concealed carry licenses. This is something the gun lobby wants because it allows them to get around permit and training requirements in states that have stricter requirements. They want it because it will make it easier to further restrict gun laws.
  • Allows 18-20 year olds to concealed carry in Kansas with a permit. This is the permit application in Kansas. The training that Kansas requires is only 8 hours long and around $100, so it does not guarantee that someone who has passed it knows how to react in a dangerous situation with their gun.
  • Requires anyone who wants to concealed carry on a college or university campus in Kansas to have a permit like the one mentioned above no matter what their age.

On its face, part of this bill sounds like it might be a good idea, but do not be fooled. The main part of the bill — Concealed Carry Reciprocity — would make the amendments basically obsolete because people from states that don’t require any training to get a concealed carry permit would be able to carry on campus without training. It would make what we have in Kansas — permitless carry — more likely to be a reality nationwide.  This bill is also clearly a step towards no permit or training requirements for people ages 18-20. We must have more stringent permit and training requirements for everyone who carries anywhere and we must prohibit guns on campus. Period.

Explanation of Today’s Events 

This bill would legalize concealed carry reciprocity. This is a huge nationwide effort by the NRA to make permits and training obsolete nationwide. Here’s an explanation of what this concept is from an organization fighting it at the national level.

In today’s session, Representative John Whitmer first introduced an amendment to HB 2042 to fix the dates on the bill so they are current for this year, which passed.

Then, Representative Landwehr introduced an amendment to allow people over the age of 18 but under the age of 21 to legally concealed carry in Kansas with a permit. Right now, no one under 21 is legally allowed to concealed carry in Kansas, and no permits or training are required for anyone over the age of 21. This law would do nothing to enforce permits on those 21+ and would expand who is allowed to concealed carry legally in the state. It was made clear that this would be a step towards 18-20 year olds being allowed to concealed carry without a permit, an ultimate goal of the NRA. This amendment passed with a 82-42 vote.

Representative Ballard then introduced an amendment to allow individual universities to make their own decisions about whether to allow campus carry, which would effectively reverse the campus carry law. That amendment failed 53-69.

Then Representative Vic Miller introduced an amendment to ban bump stocks, which was rule not germane to the bill. A challenge was made to the germaneness ruling and then overruled. Basically, that amendment failed because the Rules Committee didn’t consider it pertinent enough to the bill at hand.

Then Representative Aurand introduced an amendment that would require permits and training for anyone concealed carrying on college and university campuses in Kansas regardless of their age. This amendment passed 70-52.

The House then voted on the bill as amended (with the Aurand and Landwehr amendments explained above) and passed it out of Committee of the Whole.

After more than 2 hours discussing HB 2042, the bill, HB2145, which would create restrictions on carrying guns for people convicted of domestic violence, passed out of Committee without debate or discussion on a voice vote.

If  any of this concerns you, please contact your legislators.

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